should we get out of this "war" NOW?

[wildnthewind]

I wonder myself these days.. It's certainly hasn't helped the oil crisis (if there ever was one)

I know one thing..I don't wanna see another vietnam.. but then again that's another story in its self... it's one of... we're damned if we do... damned if we don't...


I'd have to say give it a little more time (maybe 6 months or more) I'd hate to know our soldiers died for nothin'... if they can't govern themselves by then the hell with them.... They'll beg for us when Iran gets involved, which btw they have been all along..

We all know there will never be peace in that part of the world... never has..This all reminds me of the crusades...

They base everything on Islam and then..... they can't even agree on it's teachings...

The Israelis know how to deal with them (no tolerance)


for the record... A weapon that kills hundreds of people if not thousands is in my view a WMD

Thanks Dave... for the thread... [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]

Ok.for real....... [img]graemlins/sleepy.gif[/img] lol

[mRs.GaToR]

Im not sure how I feel about any of this anymore..
the MEDIA...is causing so much undue controversy...

I have a friend who was over there for 1 1/2 years..
and says he is shocked at the way the media
reports things...that there is NOT as much
violence going on there as what we are seeing
on tv! We are making big steps in helping the
people recover and take over for themselves...
and that is what the people truly want....but
the media keeps showing things over and over and
making it seem like there is no progress being
made at all......

I think it is all a money making scam for Bush..
keep those gas prices up..make as much money as
he can before he loses his presidency....

[Father Dave]

give us your opinion of the war itself- your thoughts on continuing or your plan to leave...

do we owe anyone for the destruction we brought on?

does anyone owe us for the expense of this <s>fuck-up</s>- ummm war?

let it fly folks. no flaming allowed and all opinions will be honored.

[Rogue Angel]

this made me like Sean Penn just a little bit more....

Actor Sean Penn appeared alongside Garry Shandling and Rep. Harold Ford, Jr. (D) of Tennessee on "Real Time with Bill Maher."

Bill Maher directed the questions that elicited Penn to rail a bit against the Iraq war, adding that George Tenet, Vice President Cheney, Condoleezza Rice and President Bush himself "should be in f---ing jail" for their alleged lies to the public that led to thousands of American losing their lives in that war.

Said Penn: "And, I think it?s really quite the opposite. That when you have a precedent set like that, and you have somebody, George Tenet, acknowledging in his book, that he knew that the Administration was deceiving the American people into a situation that is murdering young men and women from this country and others, that George Tenet and Dick Cheney and Condoleezza Rice and George Bush et al should be in fucking jail."

About a half hour later he realized he had left someone off that list, saying he "forgot about Rumsfeld."

Sean Penn may have played an idiot in movies, but clearly, he's a fuckin genius.

[Father Dave]

but wait!!! they have the wonderful services of the VA hosptals that...oh shit...<font color="red">nevermind...</font>

[wildnthewind]

All valid points.. I don't have an answer but I do have an idea..
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Let's send the illegals and let um earn their citizenship.. [img]graemlins/thinking.gif[/img]

[BlackMagicRose]

BRING THEM HOME NOW!!! We are fighting in a war that is a thousands of year old civil war. It isn't our place to even be remotely involved. The American public was lied to and they continue to lie to us. There was a bill that senate tried to put through to start bringing the troops home and Bush fucking vetoed it. Why...because it took his power away...it made it to where he couldn't order more men and women to be sent to a fucking blood bath. They DON'T want us there. Let the bastards fight their own fight. They will never learn how as long as they have us fighting it for them. On a side note...the scariest thing imaginable is being a wife and seeing your husband get orders. Luckily the orders my Husband got yesterday weren't mobilization orders. It seems that most people have an intelligence level higher than our own president, Condoleeza Rice, Rumsfeld, Cheney or any of those bastards. And the sad thing is that most of us know someone who is currently serving there and their time has been EXTENDED there or we know someone who came back missing limbs or in a fucking body bag. And for what? [img]mad.gif[/img]

Oh yeah and one more thing...this little tidbit is probably not news or anything but a gal that is a friend of my Mom and her room mate was there for a year and she told them that you CANNOT trust even the women and children there because they will gun you down just as fast as any of the other people. Nice way to greet someone who is trying to "help" your country ain't it? [img]graemlins/grrr.gif[/img]

<font color="#9D1F28" size="1">[ May 11, 2007 12:12 PM: Message edited by: BlackMagicRose ]</font>

[mRs.GaToR]

Not only missing limbs...but also coming home
to missing families! Jeremy came home to his
wife and another man living in the house HE bought!
She now has custody of their daughter....because
there is a chance Jeremy may have to go back and
the judge would NOT allow him to have her...only
visits!

So many people are coming home to ex spouses now
having full custody of their kids...and there is
nothing they can do to stop it regardless of
custody situations BEFORE they left here! How
fair is it to our soldiers to fight for us and
come home to have everything they fought for
ripped out of their lives!

[Father Dave]

makes sense- but i'd rather do it with using the word "undocumented"- here is how it works....

we use undocumented people to fight an undocumented war using undocumented tactics looking for the undocumented wmd's and all casualties will be, of course, undocumented and we will win an undocumented victory and allow all those undocumented soldiers back into undocumented homes unless thy have undocumented wounds and then we send them to undocumented v a hospitals with undocumented doctors to prescribe undocumented drugs and heal them or kill them w/o any documentation.


whew...ya'll gotta excuse me cause i gotta take an undocumented dump. (speaking of such i wonder how pres. bush is?)

<font color="#9D1F28" size="1">[ May 12, 2007 12:06 AM: Message edited by: Father Dave ]</font>

[wildnthewind]

LMAO............... That would work! *L